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« on: September 19, 2008, 11:32:51 AM »

Any thoughts on this seasons indoor chances? we're still stuck in Nat 4 but plan to get the hell out of there this season!

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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2008, 01:17:02 PM »

i think i'm going to give it a miss this year... decided last season that the whole game was fatally flawed so i'll use the time to study for uni! Rolleyes
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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2008, 01:23:36 PM »

Love the name choice, though perhaps seen as I'm eh temporarily unavailable it would be more appropriate for me.

Haggis - How do you mean fatally flawed? Its a very simple game, or do you mean the umpiring of it?
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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2008, 03:33:09 PM »

hey... i think it's just that i dont like it! Ooh

i just think that its too easy for a totally unskilled player to simply stick their left hand on the deck and stop an infinitely better player from playing (espeially with the help of the boards) because they cant lift the ball. i know it means the rest of the team become more important and systems and lead patterns become more important, but i think that its skills rather than a system that we should be rewarding  Confused (and imho will attract spectators/players)

mind you thats my opinion... i've had this argument with a couple of scotlannd indoor players and so far one agrees, and one disagrees... Rolleyes
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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2008, 03:42:22 PM »

ah well I'll have to disagree with you there.

Not everyone can play indoor, it demands good basics and close control and it sorts out the good players from the average Joes.

If you think its easy for a less skillful player to block the boards then its up to the attacking player to do something different or go round them.

Its one of the fastest team sports in the world and much more exciting than outdoor as goals are guaranteed. Much better spectator sport as well.

Perhaps you see it differently being a goalkeeper, personally I love it and I wish the indoor season was longer.

like everything else tho its all about opinions!
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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2008, 03:45:25 PM »

personaly i would say that indoor is the sport where the really really skilled an technical players get to show off their skills you have to remember that a stick is only 36.5" long and a technical player should be able to dribble wider then that and if indoor was so easy as you say the scores would not be as high as they are because its actually harder to defend indoor because in outdoor a misstake can be repaired because you got the size of the pitch but in indoor even if a forward makes a misstake it often leads to a goal

UKSS looking for a long indoorseason move to scandinavia Wink how do you think a season from october-march sounds Wink hehe
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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2008, 03:53:51 PM »

October to March now your talking!!!

I love indoor been playing indoor since I was 3 yrs old! I never trained outdoor until the age of 10. My dad started a club in our local area when I was 3 and never had access to an outdoor pitch mid week, so they only ever trained indoors.

As a result their basics, pushing, stopping, flat tackling skills were second to none.

For a goalkeeper I can think of no better way to train than indoor in terms of movement, positioning etc.

Its also one of the best arenas to learn defensive tactics in as well!

On average we get about 14 games a season split over 5-6 weeks! Perhaps if it wasn't for the fact Scandinavia is one of the few places thats colder and more expensive than Scotland I'd consider the move for indoor ;o)
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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2008, 05:05:13 PM »

thats me told then... Tongue

i used to enjoy indoor... just seem to have fallen out with it... though i've become fairly apathetic to hockey in general over the last year or so (gut that's a different matter) Baffled

i've always thought that the indoor court should be split into thirds... like a "25" th the top of each D and you could lift the ball to knee height in the area betveen them, with the usual no lifting other than shooting inside the "25". Yes this would make it a helluva confusing for a spectator... but i know through us trying it in practice that the outfielders prefer it.

i think this though is through us focusing on outdoor way more than indoor... seeing it only as a "bit of banter while it's cold outside" Rolleyes
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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2008, 06:09:53 PM »

October to March now your talking!!!

I love indoor been playing indoor since I was 3 yrs old! I never trained outdoor until the age of 10. My dad started a club in our local area when I was 3 and never had access to an outdoor pitch mid week, so they only ever trained indoors.

As a result their basics, pushing, stopping, flat tackling skills were second to none.

For a goalkeeper I can think of no better way to train than indoor in terms of movement, positioning etc.

Its also one of the best arenas to learn defensive tactics in as well!

On average we get about 14 games a season split over 5-6 weeks! Perhaps if it wasn't for the fact Scandinavia is one of the few places thats colder and more expensive than Scotland I'd consider the move for indoor ;o)

What is this team you speak of? The standard of Indoor in Scotland is appalling:
M-hill and Wanderers battle it out in a fight of who makes the most mistakes.
Western rely too heavily on individual brilliance and McArtney to score more than Kane lets in.
The rest are utter tripe.

The Olympic Champions are Germany where they play longer and harder than anyone else. The systems and skills are coached by folk who actually know what they are doing Indoors!

Until Scotland puts some time, effort and finance into the game we will always be second rate (which is only one rate ahead of the Scandinavians)
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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2008, 09:26:29 PM »

You have such a positive outlook on life Irn-Bru I think at no point did we mention Scottish hockey specificly but more the indoor game in general.

As for Scotland as a small nation we will in general always be behind other nations in sport.

The fact still remains I love indoor and I still think its a far more difficult/skillful game than outdoor hockey.

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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2008, 01:32:39 AM »

irn ru it depends
scottland plays indoor outdoorish zhile scandinavia splay indoor the german way the downside of scandinavia is the lack of players but i have yet to see a scottish nationalteam
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« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2008, 04:19:20 PM »

UKSS, do you know something about the U21 indoor Scottish national team?
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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2008, 07:30:23 PM »

marzsenka i have not seen them in person but i would say that they are going to be good maybe even really really good i think they will get promoted
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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2008, 11:59:03 AM »

Your correct it was wrong of me to assume that you were talking about Scottish hockey when on a hockey website in the 'Scottish' section when your entry talks about a club that your father established and it says on your profile that you are from Scotland.

As to your comments about Scotland always being behind other nations due to size, I find this absolutely astonishing. Belgium have roughly the same size of playing pool to choose from and seem to manage no problems in qualifying for the Olympics and the Euros.

We languish miles behind because of the attitudes of our administrators and our governments to facilities and help towards players.

We have possibly the raniest climate in the western world. How many DECENT water based pitches do we have? put it another way, which clubs actually own on their own pitches so that they are not thrown off when their let runs out so that idiot footballers are allowed on with their studs to destroy the surface.

The game is a joke in this country compared to what it should be.
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« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2008, 12:11:16 PM »

then now is the time to do something about it...

All Sports as a whole should be looking for massive improvements ready for a medal haul in London in 4 years time.

No one individual can do anything but collectively you can do anything  Rofl

Does Scotland have a process for lottery funding to help clubs get their own pitches?
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