Reverse Flick for Penalty Stroke

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[Ballingdon]

Interesting situation in a match today.  After a penalty stroke was awarded in my colleague's circle, the attacker asked my colleague if it was legal to use a reverse flick.  My colleague said no, the attacker used the traditional method and miscued the ball straight towards the goalkeeper.

Various questions arise :-
1) Anyone seen a reverse flick used for a PS?

2) I can't see anything in the Rules that says that a reverse flick woulld be illegal. Have I missed something?

3) Should I have intervened or corrected my partner's response to the taker's question?

That said, after the match I tried to see how a PS taker could take the sroke (legally starting behind the ball ). Seemed difficult to generate enough power   

[philthy]

One of my mates at uni could do a reverse flick

She never did it in a match, but she could get an awful lot of power behind it, and as a keeper it completely flummoxes you.

[justin]

I assume you mean a reverse scoop...a sort of 'shoveling' action?

I have seen that used, to good effect, into the top left corner

As long as the requirements of starting behind the ball and not dragging are met, I don't see any illegality in it.

[foozbear]

yes very hard to start behind the ball and do it successfully.

[NicfromSweden]

i have seen it used by a player who always plays with the stick "on the wrong side" i cant see why it wouldnt be legal

[deegum]

a player who always plays with the stick "on the wrong side"

Such players should be banned for life. They're a  **** er to umpire.
 
 

[UmpireHockey.com]

The action is fine. Young teenage girls do it all the time, I guess, because they aren't powerful enough to do a "normal" action --- so they try the reverse stick action and find some success.

If I were the partner I would have had a chat to correct the misdirection BUT why would the player ask? And, if he was told, "No," where was the guy's captain?

Cheers...Cris

[quibble]

Various questions arise :-
1) Anyone seen a reverse flick used for a PS?

2) I can't see anything in the Rules that says that a reverse flick woulld be illegal. Have I missed something?

3) Should I have intervened or corrected my partner's response to the taker's question?

That said, after the match I tried to see how a PS taker could take the sroke (legally starting behind the ball ). Seemed difficult to generate enough power   

1) Yep - seen it (against me as a GK), used it (as a taker) and tried umpiring it!!!

2) There is nothing in the rules to prevent it's usage

3) Mmmmm - always difficult to argue about in a live match. Would suggest that's a post-match, beer based discussion!!!

As for the power, I can generate as much on the reverse as I can on the open side (maybe that says something about my open side technique!!!) - however, I use it occasionally as it confuses the heck out of the GK and I can get the ball airborne really easily!!

[foozbear]

the only problem in a reverse stick stroke is....

the positioning...most of the time you need to be in front of the ball to be able to play it. this goes against a rule.

but there is no reason to not be able to use the reverse stick flick...if it doesnt clash with a rule.

[sase-31-19]

Nothing in the rules says you cant...
If I were to ever take a PS i probably would... power is about the same for me, maybe a little weaker, but I mess them up less often

[justin]

It's harder to disguise direction and you have to start with both feet behind the ball, which limits power.
Unless you've practised it LOTS, I'd say it was a low-percentage option.

[NicfromSweden]

i dont see why you would have to be infront of the ball if you change your grip of the stick like you would hold the stick like a left stick

[foozbear]

nic,

when you play a ball with the toe of a stick you have less control and power that if you play with the heel.

also the players motion uses upper arm strength only.

being that the mechanics of a fair push and hit uses the hips more than shoulders it is better to be low.

being low and flicking on the reverse stick is hard and not a high percentage shot.

(this research was done as part of my human movement course...or PE to people in other countries)

if you want to try it...

[keely]

foozbear, Nic knows that. What he's saying is that he doesn't understand why, if you choose to turn around and do this little reverse scoop, you would be prone to placing your feet in front of the ball, against the PS rules.

Nic, I agree. When I was a wee lass and this was the trendy thing to do in high school, I was easily able to stand behind the ball.

[foozbear]

didnt a dutch guy do this internationaly and then the fih frowned on it.

if you had to have both feet behind the ball on a left handed flick....your power is not in the right spot. youve already extended yourself and not going to get a good flick off.

but if you want to do it...im not going to disagree anymore.