Outfield Hockey Sticks used by a Goalkeeper

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[danni]

For those of you who use an outfield stick(can be indoors or outdoors stick) how heavy is it in grams and do you consider it to be light, medium or heavy?

Thanks,
Danny

[bigmick]

i have used an outfield stck(kookabura idol i think) for about three years,i think it's a light outfield stick but it did feel quite heavy at first but now it just feels right,i borrowed another keepers kookabura resist gk stick once when i turned up without a stick and i didn't like it.the lightness for some reason made me lack confidence in it,and the lack of a decent bow made it sit funny in my glove.

[silky]

I play with a Mercian Ocean now. Before when I was with TK I used a CX1.0...

[dave711]

Just a question,

why is it that i see much more goalkeepers use outfield sticks in high levels such as the EHL?

Presumably they do it because it increases performance, but why?

[bigmick]

with the tk rhp when you use a nearly straight goalie stick it seems to slant backwards(sort of at 2 o'clock rather than 12),but when you use an outfielders stick with a bit of a bow it counter acts that .as most of the keepers in the ehl were using tk rhp i would say that is the reason a lot of them are using outfield sticks.then again someone else may have another reason as to why.

[AndyGaut]

yer you can use a chunkier stick with the tk glove or obo styles

[danni]

Hi I amlooking for cheap ones and was wondering what you thought of this one: http://www.newitts.com/product/HY-630/Slazenger_Panther_Hockey_Sticks.htm

Thanks for the replies so far, very interesting

[silky]

with the tk rhp when you use a nearly straight goalie stick it seems to slant backwards(sort of at 2 o'clock rather than 12),but when you use an outfielders stick with a bit of a bow it counter acts that .as most of the keepers in the ehl were using tk rhp i would say that is the reason a lot of them are using outfield sticks.then again someone else may have another reason as to why.

Pretty much. It is also due to the fact that the nature of the glove, loose and no need to hang on to straps i.e. Mercian RHP means that you can use a heavier stick (gaining more rebound etc.) whilst at the same time not loosing any of the reactions or movement speed that having a lighter stick with more restrictions on how you are forced to use it.

Also with the TK RHP being needing to be twisted slightly to get a flat stick, a heavier stick provides that little bit extra support.

silky

[shepdogg]

Quick question..why are you thinking of changing?

I use a lightweight grays gx6000 (megabow). I started using it over my gk stick because of the way i play, not beause of the glove i use (robo).

My team tends to press quite high which leaves a gap at the back. I stand at the top of the D to shout at people and to generally mop up any long balls that could be chased and kept in or aerials that go over the defenders. I found with the GK stick that it was hard to get a huge amount of power with one hand and with the shape of the shaft.

Now i get completely predictable clearances from it and with the addd bonus of harder and more predictable rebounds from sticks saves and penalty corners etc.

My advice to Danny would be:

a) try playing with an outfield stick in training first, if you havn't already done so.

b) dont buy the slazenger. its cheap but its not right for the task. you need a composite with plenty of fibreglass not a cheap schoolboys woodenstick that will break in a few weeks. how about this is 35.5" http://www.milletsports.co.uk/productmore.php?pid=25753

[danni]

a) try playing with an outfield stick in training first, if you havn't already done so.

b) dont buy the slazenger. its cheap but its not right for the task. you need a composite with plenty of fibreglass not a cheap schoolboys woodenstick that will break in a few weeks. how about this is 35.5" http://www.milletsports.co.uk/productmore.php?pid=25753

a) I already have done

b) I could buy 8 of the wooden ones for the same price which would last longer than one of those sticks?

Thanks for the advice though. Also, does anyone know of any Zoppo sticks like this, which we could use, I would be willing to spend an extra amount of money on the Zoppo's as I get them on sponsorship deal, at 50%,  anyway. i can get the Zoppo Dragon WSID for £10. That is a composite indoor stick but what is worong with a very cheap wooden one?

[shepdogg]

a) try playing with an outfield stick in training first, if you havn't already done so.

b) dont buy the slazenger. its cheap but its not right for the task. you need a composite with plenty of fibreglass not a cheap schoolboys woodenstick that will break in a few weeks. how about this is 35.5" http://www.milletsports.co.uk/productmore.php?pid=25753

a) I already have done

b) I could buy 8 of the wooden ones for the same price which would last longer than one of those sticks?

Thanks for the advice though. Also, does anyone know of any Zoppo sticks like this, which we could use, I would be willing to spend an extra amount of money on the Zoppo's as I get them on sponsorship deal, at 50%,  anyway. i can get the Zoppo Dragon WSID for £10. That is a composite indoor stick but what is worong with a very cheap wooden one?

do you just want a cheap stick?

[bigmick]

i know at my club outfielders are always buying new sticks,i know which players use light sticks and when they get a new one if i need a new stick i just ask them for their old one,i think we spend enough on gear without shelling out for sticks aswell.

[danni]

a) try playing with an outfield stick in training first, if you havn't already done so.

b) dont buy the slazenger. its cheap but its not right for the task. you need a composite with plenty of fibreglass not a cheap schoolboys woodenstick that will break in a few weeks. how about this is 35.5" http://www.milletsports.co.uk/productmore.php?pid=25753

a) I already have done

b) I could buy 8 of the wooden ones for the same price which would last longer than one of those sticks?

Thanks for the advice though. Also, does anyone know of any Zoppo sticks like this, which we could use, I would be willing to spend an extra amount of money on the Zoppo's as I get them on sponsorship deal, at 50%,  anyway. i can get the Zoppo Dragon WSID for £10. That is a composite indoor stick but what is worong with a very cheap wooden one?

do you just want a cheap stick?

Yes but it must be light !!!shepdogg, I like that idea big mick

[Grim_D]

I've used an outfield stick from day one (partly due to , but mainly because I've never tried  ). Personally, I like a lot of keepers, like to . Correct me if I'm wrong (probably am), when slide tackling, an outfield players' stick , whereas a keeper type stick (eg obo fatboy) can roll as it has such a curve and bend, causing problems when slide tackling. In contrast, the outfield stick would stay flat, going horizontal through the tackle, to come out with the ball clear on the other side.

The outfield sticks are popular with professionals - the Spanish keepers use the TK  and Vogels uses one. It all depends on style and their coaches (ie who've influenced them on different 'schools' of idea - some keepers are shaped by a certain style) - a lot of 'modern' style keepers prefer the bigger keeper sticks to cover more of the goal.

For example, there are some reflex keepers play with a cut down stick (ie 34 inches or smaller), which allows them flexibility in extending on reaction saves stick side. On breakaways, they like to keep the oppo attacker close to them (ie forcing them out wide); where they can then commit to the challenge in close; shorter reach of the stick.

Contrastingly, an outfield stick is normally 36/37, which gives you extra reach on high and wide shots to your stick side; letting you reach out in extension of yourself to make the save.

Each to his own...

However, if you are thinking of using a, remember their weight (and get heavy after a number of shots in training!). Kind of like using training weights, you could train with an outfield stick (which will weigh down your arm on stick saves), and then , giving you increased reaction speeds at weekend games!

[GK-NT#1]

ok i use a gryphon indoor magnum 37.5 inch. it lasts well. i can hit with it and dont notice the flex and theres no vibration and its a composite.
i dont see the use of using a proper outfield stick cause it weighs more its harder to move into different postitions because it takes more space up in your glove and makes the glove then press against your wrist which reduces the area you can ove ur wrist for different shots and its harder to aim so i say go with a good solid composite indoor stick so it lasts and u have more time to get used to it.