Goalkeeper smothering Ball?

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[Drapes13]

i was playing in the weekend in goal and made a save at a short corner then smothered the ball to stop the attackers getting the ball. As a goalkeeper i thought it was another short corner and pursistent smothering of the ball lead to a flick but one of the umpires after the game said it could have been given as a flick, what is the correct procedure in this case?

[UmpireHockey.com]

That is always a penalty stroke. First time, every time.

[The.Rampage.Rado]

What you mean by 'smothering the ball'?

[kristof]

Im guessing he means deliberately covering the ball with his body and making no action to allow another player to play the ball

It can be frustrating sometimes as a keeper you can lose track of the ball only to discover a flicks been given against you, or like me earlier this year the forward can keep playing the ball back under you and then the ump gives a flick!

[redumpire]

If you deliberately cover the ball, that's a deliberate foul in the circle that prevents the opposition from gaining possession of the ball and is, as Cris said, a penalty stroke every time you do it.  Absolutely no doubt about it.

[keely]

That makes it unanimous so far, and should continue to be so with any subsequent poster (famous last words).

[mosley59]

Oh, definitely a PC. It would be bad and wrong and nasty for a stroke to be given for a deliberate offence in the circle depriving the opposition of an opportunity to play the ball. 

[Folmer]

It can be frustrating sometimes as a keeper you can lose track of the ball only to discover a flicks been given against you, or like me earlier this year the forward can keep playing the ball back under you and then the ump gives a flick!

This isn't correct. When a ball accidentally gets stuck either under the GK on somewhere in his/her gear it's a PC. The key word here being accidentally.

When a forward pushes the ball under the GK then it's a manufactured foul. so a FHD should be given. When the forward keeps playing the ball while under the GK, it's definitely a FHD and a good talking to the forward that even though the GK has protection that doesn't make it legal to start hitting him.
(As a GK the best way to deal with that kind of behaviour is to start yelling "OUCH!!". 9 Times out of 10 both the ump and forward get scared, you get your well deserved FHD and it will not happen again. (at least that game) )

[dodgeyumpires]

i was playing in the weekend in goal and made a save at a short corner then smothered the ball to stop the attackers getting the ball.

This was the question. For that one its definately a penalty stroke.

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Oh, definitely a PC. It would be bad and wrong and nasty for a stroke to be given for a deliberate offence in the circle depriving the opposition of an opportunity to play the ball. 

Is the perfect sarcasm sentence that sums it all up. It is a deliberate offence inside the circle which deprives attackers the chance at playing the ball. Penalty stroke all the way

It can be frustrating sometimes as a keeper you can lose track of the ball only to discover a flicks been given against you, or like me earlier this year the forward can keep playing the ball back under you and then the ump gives a flick!

Different scenario, and yes, thats a free hit defence. I liket the idea of yelling ouch... ot a bad one. Ill listen for it next time some forward takes vicious swipes at a prone keeper   

[deegum]

Ill listen for it next time some forward takes vicious swipes at a prone keeper   Wink

don't you know the rule for 3rd XI and below? If the goalie is on the ground, the forward MUST smash the ball under him and then keep hitting .
The Umpire shall award a PC, preferably before the GK expires

I don't think I have EVER got a FHD in that situation.
To be fair, never a PS, either.

[kristof]

don't you know the rule for 3rd XI and below? If the goalie is on the ground, the forward MUST smash the ball under him and then keep hitting .
The Umpire shall award a PC, preferably before the GK expires

I don't think I have EVER got a FHD in that situation.
To be fair, never a PS, either.

This is what I was talking about, at certain levels it seems to be presumed the keeper is cheating even if he's being beaten to within an inch of his life! 

[robinsafepads]

If I go down on a ball, and know it's under me, I usually wriggle about in the hope that it's only a PC.

I once had an occasion where the ball has hit the top of my kicker and gone inside my legguard...how would everyone interpret that??

It was bad kit...

[keely]

12.3 A penalty corner is awarded:

e) when the ball becomes lodged in a player’s clothing or equipment while in the circle they are defending.

[Drapes13]

Thanks for the reply I was unsure as the first time i did was deliberate as they kept hitting the ball into me and flipped over to face the goal to defend the ball, second time was accidental hopefully wont be goal much longer this season so wont be doing it again if there was a decent umpire and not a moron!

[redumpire]

wont be doing it again if there was a decent umpire and not a moron!

Drapes, I don't mean to be provocative here, but given that you've as good as admitted your own ignorance of the rules by posting a pretty straight-forward question about a simple interpretation of an uncomplicated issue that got a unanimous reply from the Forum (which is a pretty rare occurrence!), how can you say that the umpire was a "moron"?