Advantage called during a penalty corner

??? All of this happened in a matter of seconds but I was wondering if someone could help clarify a point for me please. During a recent short corner, the inputter for the attacking team shouted "Go" which forced the defending runners to break early. The umpire immediately shouted "Advantage" and the attacking side went on to score whilst the stunned defenders didn't rush as they were expecting the corner to be retaken. The umpire then directly signalled a goal. This is something I have never seen before and I wanted to know whether this is allowed or whether the corner should have been retaken? Thanks.

" forced" ? NO! but induced perhaps. :yes:

Although I wasn't there, I am a bit surprised from the description that she allowed play to continue

BUT, the umpire clearly indicated that the defenders had committed an offence :

( 13.3.g : h until the ball has been played, .... and no defender is permitted to cross the centre-line or back-line)

but that (s)he was allowing play to continue.

Perfectly correct by the rule, and even good umpiring.



A FHD- for deliberately inducing a break by the defenders, or a retake could be ordered, or a PS if it had happened before

12.4 A penalty stroke is awarded :

c for defenders persistently crossing over the back-line before permitted during the taking of penalty corners.

ok but on the same standard if your the injector and your squatted ready for the injection and you move deliberately in a motion to simulate the injection but don't you can be (I have) been blown up and a 16 given.

As I stated on a very old thread regarding best practises on PCs:

Having said this in 2006, I can also state that it is still my practise to not play advantage on early breaks primarily due to the safety considerations, and I am still coached at the international level and everywhere below to continue that practise and I also coach that practise to everyone I work with. I completely agree with Neo's further rationale above and believe it's very poor practise to do otherwise than calling the early break immediately.[/list]

I understood the umpire to be using advantage to the attackers on the basis of an unprovoked break by the defenders-.

The decision by the umpire in the case quoted was correct- since (s)he was there, we weren't.

I can't see the logic of never playing advantage in this situation. By 'auto reset" an umpire does precisely what the defenders might be wanting- reveal a set play.


Also, blowing- in the situation quoted- ie the umpire ruled that the attack had advantage- would be in direct breach of

12.1: If awarding a penalty is not an advantage to the team which did not break the Rules, play must continue.

"Always blowing" in this situation ( or other situations) where the team in possession has committed no offence, is a bit extreme is it not? ???

And in this exact case a very very considerable advantage to the offending team.

That said, if one is concerned about safety, and never going to allow advantage,
there are two possibly justifiable options

deliberately induced by attackers: Award FHD with warning, GC to individual, probably the injector

Break by defence: retake with immediate warning to defence- next break is a PS ( note that " unintentional" breaking can be penalised)

I'd like to think (given the defence were frozen) I would blow to stop play.
Reset the short corner, and ask the injector not to shout "go" explaining that as this is generally a call made by the defending team it could cause confusion, and potential danger.
The attacking team could be "trying it on" with that call, or it may be a genuine shout - you may be suspicious, but can't be surel?

I'd remind them of this at the next short corner - and if they did it again, then FHD.

The call of "Go!" could, perhaps, be a 'timing' signal to another attacking player who, say, is planning to run to the rh post for a tip-in...in such a circumstance a re-set could well disadvantage the non-offenders by revealing the ploy.

Having said that, I have to agree with keely that to re-set every break is probably going to lead to least danger, most consistency, and you'll be making the 'best' decision in MOST cases.

Deegum, i could understand an umpire playing advantage, but i never like it, generally one of three things occur:

1. the defender genuinely didnt know he broke and rushes to the top, gets there early and either smothers the shot or gets stick to it, making you reset the PC.

2. the defender was doing it deliberately in order to reveal the attackers PC.

3. the defenders werent deliberate but realise their mistake and stop.

in case one your better off restarting the PC straight away for times sake, in case two the attack is better ff if you reset the PC straight away and in case three although it is better for the attack i would much rather stop the PC early so that nobody gets hurt.

Whilst the rules permit and encourage advantage to be played in this situation by itself, I do not think it is safe. Regardless of what the rule is, and whether advantage is permissable, the players do not seem to understand that it is. This puts them in a dangerous situation. What if a player realised they broke, turned to get back behind the line, not realising play was continuing? Before its too late, you have a drag flick coming straight for them. Its just asking for trouble when you have a bunch of unprotected players standing in the goal with their guard down.

I've only played on once, when the runner mis-timed his deliberate "stumble" out of the goal to delay the corner - he wasn't early enough and the ball was injected and in the back of the goal, really before the defence reacted - cue the defence shouting that they'd broken early, therefore the corner should have been reset.

I didn't have any qualms allowing the goal, as it was such a poor attempt to break down the play!

But the simple rule, 99 times out of 100, is re-set the corner.

As Twister implies, some defences will do this intentionally, and if they know you will always re-set, it gives them some licence to do so (subject to cards/upgrading for persistent breaks).

Just playing DA here.......as I've said I think a prompt whistle & re-set is the 'safest' course.
Red's feedback from an international striker is also worth taking on-board, in support of this practice.

Thanks all. This discussion has really helped explain some of the potential issues and underlying reasons as to why this would have been called. I feel a little bit wiser now and really appreciate everyones input.

Cheers
Turtle7