Scottish Leagues 2011-2012

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  1. hot shot viks

    hot shot viks FHF Legend

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    cuptie.. yeah, ours has been re-arranged for the the middle of November! Rediculous! We are in the same boat as you, where we have been playing a lot of 2nd team players in our 1's for various reasons! Thats how small clubs do things! :)

    If we loose, I WONT be best pleased! They cant exect Highland to play on a weekday, surely, people do have jobs!

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  2. cuptie

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    Viks- yeh jobs and the fact we have 7 mums in our first team so arranging child care as well! Think they want us to arrange it for the 30th of October but don't think they realise we don't own the pitch so it's not as easy as just picking a day! Still very frustrated that we are being made to rearrange the game when they conceded the game.
     
  3. CiaranCrawford

    CiaranCrawford FHF Regular Player

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    Game this coming weekend? Menzieshill in sunny Dundee for us.
     
  4. haggis

    haggis FHF Top Player

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    Sunny & Dundee? You've lost me...

    Watsonians away then Highland at home for us, been playing a bit better, but still not great so hopefully another 2 games will help us get some form.
     
  5. Michael10

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    ooft....sare one today. Played pretty well, created loads of chances, lost 5-4 :(
    Fair play to Highland - we scored 1 corner from 10 or so, they got 4 from 6.
    Could've been worse...9-5 defeat at home must be a kick in the nuts.
     
  6. haggis

    haggis FHF Top Player

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    Watsonians forward line must be spitting bullets! 5 goals in each of their last 3 games and only 4 points to show for it!
    D1 looks like a procession again... a little excitement/interest would be handy for a sport thats had less page space than shinty in the 'Scottish' press recently!
     
  7. Dragon

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    The difference between the first ranked and the others in both leagues is huge

    I thought the difference between Gordonians HC with the rest was not so big but the score says it all

    ┬┐Someone watched the game and can explain how it was?
     
  8. CiaranCrawford

    CiaranCrawford FHF Regular Player

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    Grange Away, Hillhead Away in the cup. Double header weekend coming up! Having to behave myself on Saturday night this week.
     
  9. haggis

    haggis FHF Top Player

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    Falkirk at home for us on Saturday then the club Ceilidh afterwards... I knew not entering the cup would have a plus side!!
     
  10. Bulsara

    Bulsara FHF Regular Player

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    Rossco, just had a look at your umpires for the game against Stepps, you had one international umpire and one up and coming umpire who has umpired junior internationals. Whilst I am not saying that they cannot have bad games I would be very suprised if they were a "Disgrace" and were consistently wrong throughout the whole game. It may very well be that they are used to umpiring using different criteria than what you are expecting, as I have certainly found out when I have done Division 2 games this season.
     
  11. haggis

    haggis FHF Top Player

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    I'm with Bulasara on this one... while I don't think either ump would say they had the perfect game (certainly none of the players can claim to have been perfect either, I certainly wasnt anywhere close!) I honestly can't understand the reaction to this game.
    There were a couple of questions I had about a couple of things, both of which were explained to me from the umps POV after the match (I asked at the time if I could chat about it afterwards - no point moaning about anything then and there, that helps nobody) and though we disagreed on the outcome I could see why the decision had been reached and I think the umps understood my POV as well.
    Yes, I'm sure you will point out that we got the points and so my view is different, but my opinion was that both umps were pretty good! There will always be decisions that people have another view on, but over 70 minutes 1/2 (even 11/12) decisions don't significantly change things. I think getting to know the umpires helps a lot, I'm not saying theyre on my christmas card list, but having a conversation with them helps, theyre there to help the players play not to stop them - all too often games seem to become a case of the players against the umpires.

    As I say this is just my opinion, my posts on here probably show my 'enlightenment' on umpiring issues at its best. 3/4 years ago I would have been the first to point at umpires (I think I did on here!) but really I could have a clean sheet and still make more mistakes than even the worst of umpires. Umpiring more often has played a large part in this (though it'll take a while to get over being abused (jokingly) by 2 D1 umpires and teams after one particular howler on Saturday :p), as its given me another perspective on how things look.
     
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  12. Michael10

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    oh ffs.......
    Yes, we are in a bad run. Yes, it appears as if every week we are losing out on some 50/50 decisions. Yes, some of the decisions that, in our opinion, went the wrong way, may have contributed to us losing (or failing to score) goals, but there is a lot more that we could do as individuals and collectively as a team to get a more positive result. And continually blaming umpires for us losing isn't reflecting very well on Falkirk as a club.
    I like to think that I have a positive relationship with most umpires, and on the occasions when I have "queried" decisions during or after the game, try to have a constructive chat where both sides can express their view, whilst not neccessarily agreeing on the outcome - but that is part of human nature.

    On a positive note, the "up and coming umpire" has done a few of our games recently, and I find him to be exceptionally approachable, firm when he needs to be, and willing to explain decisions, even to the point of admiting to the odd mistake :) However, I view this as a stength, and while it doesn't do anything to change the decision or result, gains my respect. I hope that he has a distinguished career ahead of him.
     
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    No problems if the up and coming umpire but Stepps last two goals came fron wrong umpiring decisions. Let's look at it.... The third came from a short corner that I apparently shoulder bragged Stepps forward off the the ball... I mean do you see the size difference??? The fourth cames from our defender being fouled and Stepps getting the foul.... These decisions go against us and we loss points again.... And I get lambasted for swearing....
     
  14. Rossco81

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    Upon reflection I've remove my first post but stand by my second
     
  15. Bulsara

    Bulsara FHF Regular Player

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    As I said I cannot comment on the game as I was not there but I was doubting the sentiments put forward in your first post. It would also appear that you are in a minority with your concerns in that game.
     
  16. haggis

    haggis FHF Top Player

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    I didnt see the one for the corner, so cant comment on the decision, but there will have been times to engage or tackle before the forward got into the D - long before it becomes a PC! I'd also have backed your keeper to save the flick 9 times out of 10 (and I should have saved Gordons flick, extra running for me tonight after that flap!).
    The one for the fourth (the lob?), the decision was given on the half-way line... theres a whole 50 yards between the decision and the goal to stop the attack!

    For me it's about 'controllong the controllables' - no point getting worked up about anything else!
     
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    Also a fan of that phrase Haggis! I think the umpiring has been good this year!
     
  18. Michael10

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    Without wishing to dwell on the subject much longer, it is fair to say that Rossco81 wasn't the only person who was disappointed with a couple of decisions that were viewed as contributing to goals being scored. And in a black and white world, it's conceivable to extend that thinking to say that those decisions directly influenced the result.
    However, as much as I maybe disagreed at the time, it is not correct to say they were the "wrong" decisions - it is after all, a game of opinions. Both were calls that could've gone either way, but went against us. The fact that goals followed from those decisions almost immediately compounds the disappointment, but as Haggis points out (unbelievable - agreeing with a keeper !!) there were opportunities to prevent the goals.
    On the other hand, would the result have been different if we hadn't misplaced passes in the opposition D, or had our sticks on the deck for deflections, or converted some of the 1st half corners awarded, or not turned the ball over in our own half, or......turns out it's a much longer list of things WE could have done to influence the result.

    It would be good to draw a line under it now, and move onto the next set of games.....please?
     
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  19. haggis

    haggis FHF Top Player

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    Carnegie away for us... always seems to be close, and relatively free scoring (at both ends sadly :mad:)
    D2 looks like its going Gordonians way, but you never know, a couple of away days for them this half that look tricky on paper (to me at least!) so fingers crossed!

    D1 is pretty much wrapped up - time for for a handicap system? :p

    Indoor could be interesting again this year, Menzieshill will no doubt want 'their' title back while I'd imaging that hosting the Euros will attract a few indoor specialists to Inverleith... any Paisley based challenge, or will it be another year of just enough to avoid relegation?
     
  20. Michael10

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    We're away to St Andrews on Saturday. From what we've heard, it'll be a middle of the night start (well 4:30) on an astroturf-dressed sand pitch, and they'll probably be better than they were away from home. We've not got a great record there, but need a result, if not a performance.

    There doesn't seem to be a lot between most of the sides in the league on their day. Stepps and Watsons probably have more firepower and consistency than the rest, but good (if unexpected) results for teams like Highland and Uddy have mixed things up a little.

    AAM are probably favourites to go up, but I think Stepps will probably push them closer than Watsons and finish no worse than 2nd.
    Bottom of the league looks likely to be WIT, although they got a good result last week. 2 straight down this year, so 1 more from.....maybe GU and SAU? (unless they beat us on Saturday)
     

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