Today's inane Facebook comment about EH

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  1. Theory

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    I just saw the news on the EH Facebook page reporting that the Beeb are going to be showing the Super Sixes indoor finals on their website and red button.

    As far as I'm concerned, this is great news.

    Yet some berk left this comment:

    I like the ethos but being one of the growing people who doesn't have a TV aerial and subsequently no licence, I cannot watch BBC live channels. Couldn't a live YouTube channel be set up? I would happily watch a moderate amount of adverts if I could watch live and past hockey matches.

    The mind boggles.
     
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    Another one:

    Shame they can’t find time in their schedule of repeats and awful programmes to put them on TV

    Such misery and negativity is baffling. No wonder hardly anyone goes to watch the damned sport.
     
  3. Beardymanbristol

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    I spotted someone complaining that it wasn't proper coverage because it wasn't on Sky or BT!

    I said some words. Words my mum wouldn't like to hear....
     
  4. ArbyJames

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    Hockey on BT Sport/Sky- “it should be on the BBC. What a disgrace.”

    Hockey on BBC - “it’s a real shame it’s not on BT or Sky.” Or “it’s not on the bit of the BBC I think it should be on, so it’s bad.”

    Don’t even get me started on the “I won’t pay my licence fee so it should be on YouTube.”

    I despair. I really do.
     
  5. Theory

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    YouTube is for when you can't get a major broadcaster, and you're fine with only having 37 people watching.
     
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  6. Howard

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    Great that it's on FTA TV - if it's red button the that's likely to be SD but HD will be available online/app.
    Read that there is a facebook feed for the rest of the world (and the UK) but need comformation. Can't see why there shouldn't be.

    One thing strikes me, rather than fiddle around with facebook and twitter feeds, if there is any hockey being played anywhere - as long as TV rights permit then stick it on the youtube channel as well - it's what it's there for. Even smaller club games that might attract 100 viewers (curling does....).

    Which makes me wonder how the non-commonwealth countries will get to see the commonwealth hockey, can't recall what happened last time but IIRC I saw the pan-american games live/free on the web. Anyone?
     
  7. AndyGaut

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    I believe that is down to the host nation to make it available to a wider audience, so potentially non-commonwealth countries would be able to see it if a stream is made available, be it YouTube or whatever.

    I'm glad it's on the BBC, it can only help having it available for people to watch. Personally, I don't want to pay a stupid amount of money to Sky (the devil) or BT Sport for the privilege of watching the occasional hockey match. About 10 years ago there used to be a dedicated Online Hockey TV channel that had all live games, I don't remember the name, unfortunately, but that is how I used to watch it.

    So, in a nutshell, any exposure = good, people writing inane bollox because they don't want to pay their TV licence = bad!
     
  8. Krebsy

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    Mod edit to remove reference to inappropriate post.

    Going back to the OP, basically if the BBC do something, they are wrong. They are to blame for all the things which happen which annoy me because they should have foreseen it and done something about it.
    I once heard a commissioning editor for the BBC being interviewed on the Radio 4 show Feedback where he had been wheeled out to get a bollocking for their Brexit coverage either being too leave biased (said by the remainers) or too remain biased (said by the leavers). His brilliant reaction essentially paraphrased was: "If both sides are furious with us, we are doing our job properly, when only one side is unhappy we start to get concerned."

    Getting Hockey on terrestrial TV is a good thing. It means the production standards will be decent, hopefully the commentators will not spend the whole game explaining how it is different to soccerball and we may actually let people who have never seen indoor hockey before get an understanding of how fantastic it is. The problem with Youtube is that you only watch what you want to watch. Therefore it is isolating events by not thrusting them into the eyeline of passers by, whereas the broadcast media do just that. Broadcast.
     
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  9. Howard

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    I've written numerous times, I don't mind paying to watch top-class hockey; but r/e Sky and BT, you're paying for other stuff you don't want (OK-football then) whose absurd rights bump up your sub. And with Sky, unless using NOW, you have to have that entertainment bundle before you even start!
    So a specialist hockey subscription channel + pay per game option is, for me, the best way forward, and to some degree this has happened with the youtube channel, however it's not much use when you are willing to sub but the feed is blocked in your country (ie the HWL/BT)....so I didn't end up giving hockey a penny when they could have had their cash via youtube.
    As you allude to, most people won't pay £stupid for a week's hockey.
     
  10. Theory

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    Mod edit as above.[/QUOTE]

    Which do you think would attract more viewers:

    Super Sixes being streamed via YouTube
    Super Sixes being streamed via BBC and Red Button

    From memory we had this with Euro 2015. The matches were only watchable through YouTube, so only people who knew about the competition would have watched it. For the women's final, EH stumped up something like £300k for it to be shown live on BBC2 and over a million people watched it.
     
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    BT Sport were showing some recent international tournament, I caught loads at the gym as I don't have pay TV, was good coverage too, very few inane commentator remarks making up their own rules
     
  12. jamesev

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    Who would fund the you tube broadcast?
     
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    Adverts probably if they show enough interest and get enough viewers - probably need the initial cost to be paid by the FIH or whoever but after that if people do show interest the advert budget might help out a lot
     
  14. Theory

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    Gingerbread - some posts have been deleted from this thread, so I think some of the context of the YouTube discussion has been lost.

    The initial question was asking why it couldn't be shown on YouTube as well as the BBC.

    Ultimately, the BBC is available to just about everyone in the UK so there would nothing to gain from showing it on YouTube as well.
     
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    Thats WHAT would fund it, from the WHO.

    What I meant was you need a camera crew, commentators and the equipment. On top of that you would also need permission from the organising body. In this case the EH as its a national tournament, and they would probably want to licence it.

    With the limited resources they have to stage the event in the first place, when you already have the BBC, the national broadcasting body on board that has a reach to around 25 million uk licences which is probably 60 million people why would you want dual broadcasters for a national tournament?

    The FIH wouldn't get involved in a national tournament
     
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    Ive weighed in to Mr Inskip (the prize bell-end!)

    I think in modern parlance the phrase would be...'shots fired'! ;)
     
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    Great retort. I'm brewing up the popcorn ready to sit back and watch this one unfold.

    I just don't think he gets it but is one of those "convenience for me" types, who want things presented on a silver platter subscription services he has available rather than having to subscribe to ones he hasn't. Maybe he would like to organise the you tube feed rather than tell someone else that they should be doing so.

    As for the international audience. I'm not convinced there would be huge international interest in the National indoor. I wonder if he watched England in Belgium at the Euro Indoors.
     
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  18. Theory

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    I'm reading through some of the comments on there, including Mr Inskip's, and for the life of me I cannot see what point they are trying to make.
     
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    I think hes saying that because he doesn't have a TV licence he can't see it on the BBC on Sunday so it should be put on a you tube channel so he can see it. In a nutshell.
     
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    Yeah, I got that side of it, but everything else seems to be him scrambling around trying to justify and rationalise his initial post.

    The bit where he mentions that viewers in India, Netherlands, Argentina, etc. would be interested had me doing the biggest facepalm of the year.
     

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