Why are boys who want to play field hockey in HS expected to wear kilts/skirts?

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  1. Mr Bean

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    I know said UK but I didnt mean the whole of it, What I was trying to get across is within the ladies hockey i've seen only a majority of players wear skirts..
     
  2. garli

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    Weird, even though it doesn't matter to me in field hockey I like working out in a skirt. I wear them in derby all the time and hate when I don't have a clean one and need to wear shorts.
     
  3. Ridge

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    and this whole debate about whether we should have to wear the skirt is not even the big issue to us. it's the fact of how we are treated on the field. fans and spectators are our biggest enemies. I don't even get that big of a rap from the other players from the other teams. they say, "oh wow, it's a guy" and then we play. but it's the parents that give us guys that play in high school the biggest deals. the umpire actually stopped one of the biggest games of our season to have our Athletic Director escort a parent from the other team off school property for yelling at me for the entire game. one of my friends, JaJa Kentwell has the same problem all the time. here is what a reporter had to say to those deranged parents. http://www.timesleader.com/sports/c...tractors_Dave_Konopki_Opinion_10-31-2008.html
     
  4. boneshj

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    Re: Why are boys who want to play field hockey in HS expected to wear kilts/skir

    From our point of view here in Sydney, Australia, the whole debate is ludicrous. There are about 14 clubs city wide that field junior teams, from under 11 to under 15. Every level has mixed male/female players, including the elite, very fast and skillful "under 15 Metro" (city wide competition.
    My son plays for a team in the under 15 Metro comp. While he is considered quite good, one of the best players is a girl. She is smaller (although older) than my son, but faster, very skillful and probably has one of the hardest hits on the team. There are very few injuries at all, and the girls definitely do not get more injured than the boys, in fact the worst injury on the team was to my son who took a deflected ball to the face that cut his eyebrow open.
    The girls either wear shorts or skirts as they feel comfortable and the boys wear shorts.
    Of course from representative level the sexes split, and for under 17 and adult.
    One bug bear though, is the schools. Most private schools have girls teams, but no boys. Also there is a knock-out comp for the government schools, which is segregated by sex. My son's school does not play in this comp (even though they have a very good turf) as they don't have enough players to make up sex-segregated teams. They have my son and the afore mentioned girl at the school, as well as a number of other good players and could make a rather good mixed team if allowed.
     
  5. Ridge

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    welcome to the forum boneshj. that's too bad your son doesn't have a school team to play for on such a good field. i hope in the future they get enough interest
     
  6. g9

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    boneshj, you have to know that in the US most hockey is school league play, not club or private league during the main fall season (those private teams play spring outdoor and winter indoor on an increasingly competitive tournament basis, but again, rarely in a league format). So the US model is more akin to what you are talking about with your Australian school teams and their gender restrictions.
    Ridge is one of the few boys that I know of who have been able to crack the school system stranglehold and get to play there, but most boys have to find clubs that will let them play, and then those clubs have to hope other clubs will agree to play them with boys on the team. I know Ridge's team often plays "up" into adult hockey tournaments where mixed teams are far more common and acceptable.
     
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    Re: Why are boys who want to play field hockey in HS expected to wear kilts/skir

    Oh, I quite agree. However the point is was obviously making badly is that the main arguments I have seen from the US is that the boys will endanger the girls. There are other arguments, like the fact that they take the place of girls who might otherwise play and so on. however Sydney junior club model seems to show that the major argument actually does not hold water.
     
  8. Ridge

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    exactly!! this statement of boys taking a girls place is just plain false!
     
  9. Bruce Foster

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    I play in the same group of clubs that G9 plays (often against or with her). And sadly, several years ago the then president of our club circulated the petition at the Southeast Tournament to limit the number of men to two. That was when I was one of only two men playing for our club. She hasn't been around much anymore and there is a movement afoot to overturn the rule. However some of the women still fear being injured by male players, so it might come down to making up a mixed team and an all female team.
    Two years ago at Beach Bash the rule was one more male player that the other team had. Last game of the tournament we were down to 11 available players, two of which were men, against an all female team. We had to play a man down the entire game in order to comply.
    By the way G9, we were surprised to find out the two man rule at the Tidewater tournament was at WFHA's request. Perhaps a holdover from days gone by?
     
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    We decided to go with two pools, one under SE rules and the other as a true mixed division, with any number of men allowed. t went quite well! Wash entered 2 teams only in the SE division though; Balto didn't come and they got the VCU club team to fill the spot instead. Dragons, Tidewater and Loudon played in the mixed div. (and yes, Ridge scored on me!).

    Now I am having a devil of a time getting a roster together for the SE tourney given this "2 men/gender neutral GK" rule...our men look at it and say why travel if they can't get decent playing time, and alas, it's mostly our men that want to travel to play! I've shifted a female GK to another team that needed a keeper so that James can play GK and open up more spots for the men in the field, but it's just a dumb, outdated rule!!
     
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    Come on, the girls fear being injured by men. The game must be very different in the USA.

    Over the last number of years it is definately the other way around. We have a ban on first and second eleven male players playing in mixed hockey as so many of them have had limbs or joints broken.
     
  12. Bruce Foster

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    G9 our AGM is today. I'm going to bring the matter up see if we can start the process to overturn the rule. It'll be too late to do anything about this year's SE tourney but there's usually a general meeting afterwards. I'd be happy to make the motion, will you or someone from Tide be there to second?
     
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    I won't be there as my team is going to the State Championship (same weekend), but Tide is practicing tomorrow and I will put the word out to David and James to stand up for this...it's a thing that's time has come! Many thanks, Bruce!
     
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    Summer and I brought it up and met mixed reaction. The players at Club level have no problem with no restrictions on male numbers, nor did most of the players on Association level. But a few of the "old guard" are resistant, unfortunately they're officers.
     
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    I've put it out to our crew as well, and I did get some feedback from one of your players who also plays with us. We are finding that the college teams and clubs don't mind playing our mixed teams, and those games are increasingly making up more of our schedule. It may be that SE tourneys will become for us our "women's team" events (though we can't regularly get enough women to travel to them!). Not sure, will keep you posted on what I hear, but in the meantime, feel free to play with us at our non-SE events!
     
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    Re: Why are boys who want to play field hockey in HS expected to wear kilts/skir

    Vote em out.
     
  17. g9

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    or go the time-honored route of the South and secede!! Oh wait, that didn't work out so well, did it?!?!
     
  18. Ridge

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    Re: Why are boys who want to play field hockey in HS expected to wear kilts/skir

    yeah about that... Lol
     
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    Isn't that what the Mavericks did, secede from WFHA? And then the Dragons from the now defunct Mavericks?
     
  20. Ridge

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    i'm pretty sure mavericks are still around.. i hear about them but i don't know much about them or their history. but the dragons are still a strong and well rounded club on the east coast with some very good national players including Nate Coolidge. check out our group on facebook http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/group.php?gid=76059786193&ref=ts
     

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